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If you wanted to ski and break trail with a few pals for 30+ miles of *SINGLETRACK* in a day then camp out then do it again the next day, what would you carry and how would you roll?

This isn't an Arrowhead question, but a cousin to it. We're trying to develop overnight epic ski technology for singletrack and trail-breaking and technical ski skills (tricky descents).

This wouldn't be groomed or wide-trail skiing. No skating. Lots of hills and tricky descents. Narrow trail. Taking turns breaking trail. Maybe doing tele turns on your own line thru some descents.

We'd be using the North Country Trail, NCT, for our route.

Our gang in Michigan skis hiking trails like this but we haven't added overnights to our world yet. We do big "dark to dark" days carrying about 12 lbs of food water and gear. We often use midlength skis. NNN-BC bindings.

I notice that my speed and distance feels like it gets really hampered in terms of trail-breaking and singletrack if my pack weighs more than 15 lbs. I might be able to still perform OK with 20 lbs, but I'm not sure. This would maybe make overnighting a problem.

Now 30 miles might not seem like much but notice the "dark to dark" part. I'd say that 30 miles of singletrack equals more like 60 miles of wide-packed snow -- due to the trail-breaking (even when taking turns) and the steeper uphills (and herringboning and side-scampering) and the technical descents, ski-handling demands.

I'm wondering about sleds. Could you devise a sled that wouldn't tip over very easily in such skiing? Sideslopes are the least of our worries, it's more just humpin' along a hiking trail. But sideslopes ARE a concern. As is tree-whackin' when going around turns.

At this point it seems like the trail-breaking backcountry skiing that you read about in terrain like this uses a 35-lb pack and a 10-mile daily range, going hut to hut on the Catamount Trail in VT, say.

We want to use the bikepacking concept for singletrack skiing. We want to use a light load and light skis to go 30+ miles in a day of big ups'n'downs. Well, we do that already, but then we want to camp out and do it again the next day.

It doesn't seem like anyone has done this yet. But I could EASILY be missing a LOT!

Anyone have any ideas? Any links to reports? THANKS! --JP

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I suppose a 20-lb pack is doable for one overnight with a cold bivvy and damp clothes wake-up and cold pizza both days.

Anyone know about or do any epic 2-day singletrack ski marathons? Seems like a new concept. 50k's back to back with campout.

CSM does something like this only with grooming and not as much technical or hills. ...CSM is a great thing. Ideally one would start with that and build up to its Gold level before going off on your own. But I'm kinda stuck in my backyard territory and have less scope to wander and do events with entry fees... Thankfully our backyard has all anyone could want. The CSMers should be coming HERE! [smile] ...Except that they do represent TONS of experience. I could learn so much from doing that a few times...

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